how much like diablo2?? - Guild Wars Forums

meatman · Mar 31, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I dunno if this is asked a lot, but how much like Diablo 2 is this game?

jdwoody · Mar 31, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

both games have hit points and mana

other than that they're different

Dreamsmith · Mar 31, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Take Diablo II, update the graphics, move the chat rooms in-game, multiply the skills you can learn by a factor of five, actually balance the game and remove the ridiculous items, and generally make the game much, much larger (more quests, bigger areas, more missions), and you'd turn Diablo II into something similar to GW. Except not as good, as I've failed to list a whole host of other improvements (too many to list).

I think it's fair to say, though, they've got a lot in common. They're both essentially action RPGs. I tend to think of GW as the bastard love-child of Diablo II and Magic: the Gathering...

meatman · Mar 31, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

So, why should i stop playing WoW for this game? Wont there be hacks like in diablo1?

worthless · Mar 31, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

they are preventing hacks by not actually having the game on your computer, all the content is streamed to you through the network while you play... another reason is cause WoW = $180 per year

baranovan · Mar 31, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by meatman

So, why should i stop playing WoW for this game? Wont there be hacks like in diablo1?

From all the info. that was kindly provided, where do you get that assumption?

Dreamsmith · Mar 31, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by meatman

So, why should i stop playing WoW for this game?

You shouldn't. Nor should you stop playing Half-Life 2, Microsoft Flight Simulator, or any other games you enjoy. You should play this game because you enjoy playing it. What other games you choose to play or not is irrelevant.

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Wont there be hacks like in diablo1?

There are few games indeed that will be harder to maintain good hacks on. The streaming technology means you're trying to aim for a moving target. This game doesn't have "patches" to fix things, it changes every day. They're pretty close to publishing the 10,000th version of the game, and it's still in beta!

Diablo was far more susceptible to hacks than GW will be. For that matter, WoW is far more susceptible to hacks than GW will be...

meatman · Mar 31, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

What about character models? The video I just watched, everybody looked the same (blue capes). I'd like to look different from someone else.

Canis Lupus · Mar 31, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

your character is made the way you want him/her to look like. if everyone was wearing a blue cape, then it was a certian guild or just a group of players that person was playing with (that was taking the video). as far a body build...... they are all the same for each class i.e. all warriors body's look the same, all necro's body's look the same, ect., ect. the change is the facial features, skin, size, hair and the like that you make to suit you.

NiteX · Mar 31, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by meatman

What about character models? The video I just watched, everybody looked the same (blue capes). I'd like to look different from someone else.

They were obviously on the blue team.

spiritofcat · Apr 01, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

With a substantial number of the developers being ex diablo 2 and battlenet devs you could think of this game as Diablo 3 really.
Of course, just like Diablo 2 was so much better than Diablo, Guild Wars is miles away from Diablo 2.

Aria · Apr 01, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by spiritofcat

With a substantial number of the developers being ex diablo 2 and battlenet devs you could think of this game as Diablo 3 really.
Of course, just like Diablo 2 was so much better than Diablo, Guild Wars is miles away from Diablo 2.

Why must Guild Wars be compared to a Diablo 3, instead of just being Guild Wars, standing by itself? Again, despite the fact that ArenaNet boasts many of the same developers that made Blizzard what it is today, Guild Wars unfurls a system that brings a new standard of gaming, instead of rather riding on the tailwinds of famous past games such as the Diablo series.

And by a "new standard," I mean the dedication to reduce grind, instead of promoting it as the primary form of MMO gaming existence, etc.

Let's see Guild Wars on its own merit.

Like Dreamsmith said, you can play WoW, EQ, etc, to your heart's content, and still play GW. They are two very different types of games, with two very different aims in what they want to deliver to their audience. To me, terming it "Diablo 3" is not only a step backwards, but would also be a slight disparagement of what the devs are trying to accomplish with GW. They're trying to do something new and staggering in this industry.. not merely picking up the scattered fame trails of old gaming giants from the past by actually being a semi-look alike clone with better graphics. Nicknaming it "Diablo 3" relegates it back to that status, instead of giving it its own place at the forefront. And indeed, if you are looking for a Diablo 3, you'll be severely disappointed. This game will not be for you.

My same old argument also lies here.

Rip off those old preconceptions, and as I've said before, stop thinking of what you're *used* to in a game, but rather what you want. And, if Guild Wars happens to be what you want, then like many of us, you'll be very very happy, as it's definitely the only one of its kind.

Allmightybob · Apr 01, 2005, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I've said it once and I'll say it again. It's amazing what kind of rumors a game with no monthly fee can generate.

spiritofcat · Apr 01, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by Aria

Rant about why Guild Wars shouldn't be compared to Diablo 2 or thought of as like Diablo 3 in any way

Yes, I understand what you're saying. But it's always so much easier to explain things to people in terms they are familiar with than to try to educate them about something entirely new.

Lews · Apr 01, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by NiteX

They were obviously on the blue team.

Exactly. I am glad somebody pointed this out... I saw all these guys, they were red, but I was blue, how do I become red?

Xellos · Apr 01, 2005, 07:19 AM // 07:19

They both only have combat as a main source of entertainment.

i Q · Apr 01, 2005, 09:07 AM // 09:07

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Originally Posted by meatman

I dunno if this is asked a lot, but how much like Diablo 2 is this game?

Let's just put it this way it is another ground breaking MMORPG by the creators of BattleNet and D1 and D2.... Nuff said?!

Well if it is not it has made me a die hard diablo2 fan not even play anymore. You get good trade and random drops that can actually be good. Graphics are 1000x better. No use of pots in PvP cuz monks do the healing. 8 vs 8 and 4 vs 4 @.@. The list goes on and on.

Scaper-X · Apr 01, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by spiritofcat

But it's always so much easier to explain things to people in terms they are familiar with than to try to educate them about something entirely new.

That, spiritofcat, is pure and utter disinformation on your part. Guild Wars is anything BUT Diablo III would be. Spreading such complete bunk is a disservice to those you're "explaining" the game to. You might as well save your breath and keystrokes.

Napster: "Hello, sir, and welcome to the new and improved Napster!"
Consumer: "Okay, what's changed?"
Napster: "Well, it's no longer free, you're limited in all-around selection, and we get to watch your every action using the software...but other than that it's the same!"
Consumer: "So it's nothing like the rebel software it once was and has become a corporate RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO. I see."

Granted, this is more related to P2P issues and not gaming, but it does address the concept I'm after: that which is similar is not identical. I'm sure you can think of other analogies if you're willing to open your mind to the fact that you're insulting the game by not treating it like the original MMO title it is.

EDIT: It's been brought to my attention you've not even played the game and yet you're making such a grandiose and erroneous statement about it?
-- Scaper-X

spiritofcat · Apr 01, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Scaper-X

That, spiritofcat, is pure and utter disinformation on your part. Guild Wars is anything BUT Diablo III would be. Spreading such complete bunk is a disservice to those you're "explaining" the game to. You might as well save your breath and keystrokes.

Napster: "Hello, sir, and welcome to the new and improved Napster!"
Consumer: "Okay, what's changed?"
Napster: "Well, it's no longer free, you're limited in all-around selection, and we get to watch your every action using the software...but other than that it's the same!"
Consumer: "So it's nothing like the rebel software it once was and has become a corporate RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO. I see."

Granted, this is more related to P2P issues and not gaming, but it does address the concept I'm after: that which is similar is not identical. I'm sure you can think of other analogies if you're willing to open your mind to the fact that you're insulting the game by not treating it like the original MMO title it is.

EDIT: It's been brought to my attention you've not even played the game and yet you're making such a grandiose and erroneous statement about it?
-- Scaper-X

Okay, I take you point.
You're wrong though, I have played it, just not recently.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Apr 01, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

well one things for sure guildwars i alot alot alot lot lot lot forever better than d2 no matter how u compare it

-well unless ur a blood fanatic

Mar 31, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35	#1
meatman Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2005	how much like diablo2?? I dunno if this is asked a lot, but how much like Diablo 2 is this game?

Mar 31, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45	#3
Dreamsmith Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Guild: Beguine Guild [BGN]	Take Diablo II, update the graphics, move the chat rooms in-game, multiply the skills you can learn by a factor of five, actually balance the game and remove the ridiculous items, and generally make the game much, much larger (more quests, bigger areas, more missions), and you'd turn Diablo II into something similar to GW. Except not as good, as I've failed to list a whole host of other improvements (too many to list). I think it's fair to say, though, they've got a lot in common. They're both essentially action RPGs. I tend to think of GW as the bastard love-child of Diablo II and Magic: the Gathering... __________________

Mar 31, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42	#2
jdwoody Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin	both games have hit points and mana other than that they're different

Mar 31, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47	#4
meatman Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2005	So, why should i stop playing WoW for this game? Wont there be hacks like in diablo1?

Mar 31, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#5
worthless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TX	they are preventing hacks by not actually having the game on your computer, all the content is streamed to you through the network while you play... another reason is cause WoW = $180 per year

Mar 31, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27	#8
meatman Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2005	What about character models? The video I just watched, everybody looked the same (blue capes). I'd like to look different from someone else.

Mar 31, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40	#9
Canis Lupus Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2005 Guild: Imperial Militia Profession: W/R	your character is made the way you want him/her to look like. if everyone was wearing a blue cape, then it was a certian guild or just a group of players that person was playing with (that was taking the video). as far a body build...... they are all the same for each class i.e. all warriors body's look the same, all necro's body's look the same, ect., ect. the change is the facial features, skin, size, hair and the like that you make to suit you.

Apr 01, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01	#11
spiritofcat Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Order of the Sanguine Dragon [OSD] Profession: E/Mo	With a substantial number of the developers being ex diablo 2 and battlenet devs you could think of this game as Diablo 3 really. Of course, just like Diablo 2 was so much better than Diablo, Guild Wars is miles away from Diablo 2.

Apr 01, 2005, 02:07 AM // 02:07	#13
Allmightybob Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005	I've said it once and I'll say it again. It's amazing what kind of rumors a game with no monthly fee can generate.

Apr 01, 2005, 07:19 AM // 07:19	#16
Xellos Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No Idea	They both only have combat as a main source of entertainment.

Apr 01, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#20
MoldyRiceFrenzy Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Guild: Confusion in The Ranks[tArD] Profession: Mo/W	well one things for sure guildwars i alot alot alot lot lot lot forever better than d2 no matter how u compare it -well unless ur a blood fanatic